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		<title>By: itjob123</title>
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		<dc:creator>itjob123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he only &quot;inside&quot; there is Eldar&#039;s claim that iPad will be 1 year late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he only &#8220;inside&#8221; there is Eldar&#39;s claim that iPad will be 1 year late.</p>
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		<title>By: itjob123</title>
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		<dc:creator>itjob123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he only &quot;inside&quot; there is Eldar&#039;s claim that iPad will be 1 year late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he only &#8220;inside&#8221; there is Eldar&#39;s claim that iPad will be 1 year late.</p>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moorestown&#039;s good...for an X86 design.  But it&#039;s not good enough.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A close to apples-to-apples comparison is in order:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The OMAP3 is _roughly_ clock-for-clock comparable in performance to the Celeron in the original eeePC.  The later on eeePC&#039;s up the speed by about half again and increase the battery life by about a factor of 2 with the Atom based designs for comparison.  While the Atom is going to be slightly faster clock-for-clock, it&#039;s power consumption is still way too high.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The original eeePC manages roughly 3-3.5 hourse on a 49 watt-hour battery.&lt;br&gt;The equivalent OMAP3 design manages roughly 10 hours on a 13.5 watt-hour battery.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Both devices running Linux, both devices managing the same task at the same rate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Moorestown doesn&#039;t fare much better.  It&#039;s power consumption for performance is still entirely too high- and this is against this year&#039;s crop of Cortex-A8 designs.  Cortex-A9 devices are expected to show up Q1-Q2 of next year- and the story&#039;s about 2-4 times faster with nearly the same power consumption as the A8 cores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moorestown&#39;s good&#8230;for an X86 design.  But it&#39;s not good enough.  </p>
<p>A close to apples-to-apples comparison is in order:</p>
<p>The OMAP3 is _roughly_ clock-for-clock comparable in performance to the Celeron in the original eeePC.  The later on eeePC&#39;s up the speed by about half again and increase the battery life by about a factor of 2 with the Atom based designs for comparison.  While the Atom is going to be slightly faster clock-for-clock, it&#39;s power consumption is still way too high.</p>
<p>The original eeePC manages roughly 3-3.5 hourse on a 49 watt-hour battery.<br />The equivalent OMAP3 design manages roughly 10 hours on a 13.5 watt-hour battery.</p>
<p>Both devices running Linux, both devices managing the same task at the same rate.</p>
<p>Moorestown doesn&#39;t fare much better.  It&#39;s power consumption for performance is still entirely too high- and this is against this year&#39;s crop of Cortex-A8 designs.  Cortex-A9 devices are expected to show up Q1-Q2 of next year- and the story&#39;s about 2-4 times faster with nearly the same power consumption as the A8 cores.</p>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samsung&#039;s been quietly evaluating Linux as a smartphone OS for a while now- a lot longer than most people think.  (I interviewed with the handset software group back a while back in Richardson, TX...ended up taking a six figure principal engineer&#039;s job elsewhere, but they were interviewing me for the purpose of helping with a Linux based version of their handset software then...some 6 years ago.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samsung&#39;s been quietly evaluating Linux as a smartphone OS for a while now- a lot longer than most people think.  (I interviewed with the handset software group back a while back in Richardson, TX&#8230;ended up taking a six figure principal engineer&#39;s job elsewhere, but they were interviewing me for the purpose of helping with a Linux based version of their handset software then&#8230;some 6 years ago.)</p>
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		<title>By: Google fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Once the google&#039;s android hit the mail market with lot of applications, windows mobile will be dead.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the best thing is Google android is open source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree.</p>
<p>Once the google&#39;s android hit the mail market with lot of applications, windows mobile will be dead.</p>
<p>And the best thing is Google android is open source.</p>
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		<title>By: Staska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Staska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intel Moorestown? LG? C&#039;mon...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If  every big vaporware announcement in mobile industry had any basis in reality, Wintel should have already ruled this market by now. Unfortunately, nothing gets anywhere beyond PR. For years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So now it&#039;s Moorsetown that will do the trick? With x86 architecture, that suddenly, somehow  will make ARM based chips obsolete for mobile? And convince cellphone vendors to suddenly drop TI OMAP, Qualcomm and other chipsets that they have already product roadmapped until at least 2012, to switch to an unproven startup, even if it is an 800lb gorrilla in some other market? I&#039;ll believe it when I see it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yep, I&#039;ve heard that LG is in bed with MSFT. Something about hundreds programmers flown by MSFT to work in Seoul. And that official announcement about 20 WinMo phones that LG will ship soon. Sounds impressive.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately I have some past LG record with smartphones to look into. LG Symbian handsets? They are shameful. LG WinMo, they are only just embarrassing. LG Incite, KS20? Wow! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So if you combine three  uber losers in the market, no matter how successful they are elsewhere, do you get a winner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intel Moorestown? LG? C&#39;mon&#8230;</p>
<p>If  every big vaporware announcement in mobile industry had any basis in reality, Wintel should have already ruled this market by now. Unfortunately, nothing gets anywhere beyond PR. For years.</p>
<p>So now it&#39;s Moorsetown that will do the trick? With x86 architecture, that suddenly, somehow  will make ARM based chips obsolete for mobile? And convince cellphone vendors to suddenly drop TI OMAP, Qualcomm and other chipsets that they have already product roadmapped until at least 2012, to switch to an unproven startup, even if it is an 800lb gorrilla in some other market? I&#39;ll believe it when I see it.</p>
<p>Yep, I&#39;ve heard that LG is in bed with MSFT. Something about hundreds programmers flown by MSFT to work in Seoul. And that official announcement about 20 WinMo phones that LG will ship soon. Sounds impressive.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I have some past LG record with smartphones to look into. LG Symbian handsets? They are shameful. LG WinMo, they are only just embarrassing. LG Incite, KS20? Wow! </p>
<p>So if you combine three  uber losers in the market, no matter how successful they are elsewhere, do you get a winner?</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahn...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Windows Mobile is dead. Long live Mobile Windows&quot;. Hey, Intel Moorestown will drop somewhere in early 2010; with a x86 chip on cellphones, it&#039;s a no-brainer punching a telephony module on Windows and launching a Mobile Windows. No industry tiers required to say this, only brains, especially for those that remember all the Windows CE/Mobile story :-P&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And Mobile Windows is that&#039;s why LG is betting the farm on Windows (what Eldar calls &quot;doesn&#039;t grasp industry trends&quot;) - we already know that LG will use Moorestown: &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10164367-64.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10164367-64.html&lt;/a&gt; . I see a Microsoft-Intel-LG cellphone still in 2010.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apple Internet Tablet in 2011? Apple iPad is THE buzz on US tech coverage. The only &quot;inside&quot; there is Eldar&#039;s claim that iPad will be 1 year late.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For Samsung Linux? I couldn&#039;t resist remembering Motorola&#039;s EZX and MOTOMAGX - Linux-based closed platforms from a major player that flopped. Unless, obviosly, the Koreans are planning to buy Palm or ACCESS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahn&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Windows Mobile is dead. Long live Mobile Windows&#8221;. Hey, Intel Moorestown will drop somewhere in early 2010; with a x86 chip on cellphones, it&#39;s a no-brainer punching a telephony module on Windows and launching a Mobile Windows. No industry tiers required to say this, only brains, especially for those that remember all the Windows CE/Mobile story <img src='http://c2499022.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And Mobile Windows is that&#39;s why LG is betting the farm on Windows (what Eldar calls &#8220;doesn&#39;t grasp industry trends&#8221;) &#8211; we already know that LG will use Moorestown: <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10164367-64.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10164367-64.html</a> . I see a Microsoft-Intel-LG cellphone still in 2010.</p>
<p>Apple Internet Tablet in 2011? Apple iPad is THE buzz on US tech coverage. The only &#8220;inside&#8221; there is Eldar&#39;s claim that iPad will be 1 year late.</p>
<p>For Samsung Linux? I couldn&#39;t resist remembering Motorola&#39;s EZX and MOTOMAGX &#8211; Linux-based closed platforms from a major player that flopped. Unless, obviosly, the Koreans are planning to buy Palm or ACCESS.</p>
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		<title>By: Staska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Staska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, the hints about most of the above have been dropped by companies here and there. MR only provides a better context tying them up. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding new M8000 Symbian phone, I knew that it existed as part of Cubic family (Samsung Jet, Omnia II). But, according to Eldar it has been cancelled. We&#039;ll see soon if that&#039;s true</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, the hints about most of the above have been dropped by companies here and there. MR only provides a better context tying them up. </p>
<p>Regarding new M8000 Symbian phone, I knew that it existed as part of Cubic family (Samsung Jet, Omnia II). But, according to Eldar it has been cancelled. We&#39;ll see soon if that&#39;s true</p>
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		<title>By: Arnoud, Tweakers.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnoud, Tweakers.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s new there. I wrote about this Windows - Windows Mobile thing back in february (&lt;a href=&quot;http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58655/windows-mobile-krijgt-kernel-van-pc-versie-windows.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58655/windows-mobile...&lt;/a&gt;) and about a Samsung Linux smartphone a little while ago: &lt;a href=&quot;http://tweakers.net/nieuws/61791/samsung-komt-met-linux-smartphone.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tweakers.net/nieuws/61791/samsung-komt-m...&lt;/a&gt; You saw the newest Symbian-device by Samsung too? It looks like the S8000 Jet (&lt;a href=&quot;http://tweakers.net/nieuws/61942/samsung-maakt-symbian-variant-op-jet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tweakers.net/nieuws/61942/samsung-maakt-...&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However there are some interesting developments going on, pointing in which direction the mobile industry is moving. I think Android is at this moment only the beginning of what we can expect from devices in the next five years. iPhone won&#039;t be a trendsetter, but un class aparte: manufacturers will look less and less to iPhone for inspiration in terms of interface and hardware.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just my 2 cents..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#39;s new there. I wrote about this Windows &#8211; Windows Mobile thing back in february (<a href="http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58655/windows-mobile-krijgt-kernel-van-pc-versie-windows.html" rel="nofollow">http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58655/windows-mobile&#8230;</a>) and about a Samsung Linux smartphone a little while ago: <a href="http://tweakers.net/nieuws/61791/samsung-komt-met-linux-smartphone.html" rel="nofollow">http://tweakers.net/nieuws/61791/samsung-komt-m&#8230;</a> You saw the newest Symbian-device by Samsung too? It looks like the S8000 Jet (<a href="http://tweakers.net/nieuws/61942/samsung-maakt-symbian-variant-op-jet.html" rel="nofollow">http://tweakers.net/nieuws/61942/samsung-maakt-&#8230;</a>)</p>
<p>However there are some interesting developments going on, pointing in which direction the mobile industry is moving. I think Android is at this moment only the beginning of what we can expect from devices in the next five years. iPhone won&#39;t be a trendsetter, but un class aparte: manufacturers will look less and less to iPhone for inspiration in terms of interface and hardware.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents..</p>
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		<title>By: kamic</title>
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		<dc:creator>kamic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d really like to have a microsoft os instead of apple, they really gotta step up their game</description>
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