Those rumors about Samsung Galaxy S5 running Tizen OS? They are nothing more but wishful thinking

During the last few days, a rumor has been slowly circulating around Chinese sites, and now it is spilling into the English Web, courtesy of IBTimes and CNet UK.

It says that Samsung may launch its next flagship – Galaxy S5, in two versions- one running the latest Android, the other with a homegrown Tizen OS.

Getting its own Galaxy S5 flagship heavily promoted by Samsung, would be a wonderful thing for the prospects of Tizen. Unfortunately, it will never happen.

As far as I could find, this rumor is completely baseless, with originating sites not even trying to claim “sources in the know”, “people who have seen the device”, “industry insiders”, or anything that would give it even a semblance of truth.

The only reason to even talk about Tizen Galaxy S5, was SGS4 developer unit with Tizen on it, which prompted speculation that Samsung may put it on SGS5 and make it a real deal. Then other fans picked this speculation up, ran with it and eventually transformed it into the “reports from China indicate…”

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Could Samsung make Tizen Galaxy S5? Sure. Will it? No way.

Galaxy Sx series are reserved for Samsung Android flagships, with the latest and greatest tech Samsung has access to, packed inside. Samsung will not dilute this brand with a buggy first or second generation device on an unknown and untested OS, even if it owns the platform. And it will certainly not put “Galaxy” or  “Sx” name on it.

The best Tizen can expect when it finally ships on commercial Samsung device, are somewhat high end specs circa Galaxy S4. And even that is unlikely, since Samsung is aiming Tizen towards mid to low end of the smartphone market.

Could there be a Galaxy S5 development device running Tizen 4 or 5? I am sure there will be, OEMs love to test their stuff on all kinds of equipment they have. Would such device become something more than development prototype? No way, at least until Galaxy S5 is a year old.

Author: Stasys Bielinis

While I like to play with the latest gadgets, I am even more interested in broad technology trends. With mobile now taking over the world - following the latest technology news, looking for insights, sharing and discussing them with passionate audience - it's hard to imagine a better place for me to be. You can find me on Twitter as @UVStaska'

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  • cvgomes

    A very interesting and valid point of view. Thanks

  • Zippero

    This is wishful thinking on the author’s part that Samsung does not intend to do anything with Tizen, even though Samsung’s co-CEO just said the other day that Samsung will quickly put Tizen not only on smartphones and tablets but on TVs, kitchen appliances, and even in cars. With 1 billion activations and no profits to show for it for any Android phone maker except Samsung and now Chinese Android phone makers replicating the Galaxy line’s specs at half the cost or less, the writing is on the wall and Samsung needs to make a move to its own Tizen to avoid the complete unprofitable commoditization of the entire Android phone industry that threatens its profits. Besides helping Samsung avoid getting commoditized by its Chinese Android copycats, Tizen also helps Samsung break from Google and control its own Tizen ecosystem. Tizen runs all Android apps too, so it’ll really be a joint Android-Tizen app ecosystem that users can enjoy from the get-go.

  • Zippero

    The Google-Samsung marriage of convenience to combat iOS is over. Samsung sees the Chinese Android 4.3 and 4.4 OEM hordes on the horizon replicating its specs at less than half the cost and is calling it quits. Samsung made huge profits on Android, much more than Google itself, but once the Chinese get into it and copy Samsung left and right at half the cost or less, it’s time to move on. Tizen runs all Android apps so Samsung can steal the entire Android ecostem from under Google without a hitch or pain (unless you’re Google). Just invite every Android developer to start selling his Android apps on the new Samsung joint Tizen-Android app ecosystem, and they’ll all switch over overnight attracted by the fact Samsung with its scale was the only profitable Android OEM by far among a sea of Android OEMs that collectively has 1 billion Android activations around the world. Without Samsung, Android can’t survive long with chronically unprofitable and hapless OEMs like Motorola and HTC that lack Samsung’s manufacturing scale that rivals Apple’s and marketing deep pockets. You’d think that with 1 billion activations, at least 1 or 2 Android OEMs beside Samsung would be able to turn a profit, which would be healthy for the Android OEM industry as a whole, but it turns out Android is such a crappy OS that no one in the world is apparently willing to pay up for it. The OEMs have to sell at cost or less so they’re practically universally profitless even with 1 billion Android activations around the world.

  • Zippero

    The Google-Samsung marriage of convenience to combat iOS is over. Samsung sees the Chinese Android 4.3 and 4.4 OEM hordes on the horizon replicating its specs at less than half the cost and is calling it quits. Samsung made huge profits on Android, much more than Google itself, but once the Chinese get into it and copy Samsung left and right at half the cost or less, it’s time to move on. Tizen runs all Android apps so Samsung can steal the entire Android ecostem from under Google without a hitch or pain (unless you’re Google). Just invite every Android developer to start selling his Android apps on the new Samsung joint Tizen-Android app ecosystem, and they’ll all switch over overnight attracted by the fact Samsung with its scale was the only profitable Android OEM by far among a sea of Android OEMs that collectively has 1 billion Android activations around the world. Without Samsung, Android can’t survive long with chronically unprofitable and hapless OEMs like Motorola and HTC that lack Samsung’s manufacturing scale that rivals Apple’s and marketing deep pockets. You’d think that with 1 billion activations, at least 1 or 2 Android OEMs beside Samsung would be able to turn a profit, which would be healthy for the Android OEM industry as a whole, but it turns out Android is such a crappy OS that no one in the world is apparently willing to pay up for it. The OEMs have to sell at cost or less so they’re practically universally profitless even with 1 billion Android activations around the world.

  • Zippero

    The Google-Samsung marriage of convenience to combat iOS is over. Samsung sees the Chinese Android 4.3 and 4.4 OEM hordes on the horizon replicating its specs at less than half the cost and is calling it quits. Samsung made huge profits on Android, much more than Google itself, but once the Chinese get into it and copy Samsung left and right at half the cost or less, it’s time to move on. Tizen runs all Android apps so Samsung can steal the entire Android ecostem from under Google without a hitch or pain (unless you’re Google). Just invite every Android developer to start selling his Android apps on the new Samsung joint Tizen-Android app ecosystem, and they’ll all switch over overnight attracted by the fact Samsung with its scale was the only profitable Android OEM by far among a sea of Android OEMs that collectively has 1 billion Android activations around the world. Without Samsung, Android can’t survive long with chronically unprofitable and hapless OEMs like Motorola and HTC that lack Samsung’s manufacturing scale that rivals Apple’s and marketing deep pockets. You’d think that with 1 billion activations, at least 1 or 2 Android OEMs beside Samsung would be able to turn a profit, which would be healthy for the Android OEM industry as a whole, but it turns out Android is such a crappy OS that no one in the world is apparently willing to pay up for it. The OEMs have to sell at cost or less so they’re practically universally profitless even with 1 billion Android activations around the world.

  • Zippero

    The Google-Samsung marriage of convenience to combat iOS is over. Samsung sees the Chinese Android 4.3 and 4.4 OEM hordes on the horizon replicating its specs at less than half the cost and is calling it quits. Samsung made huge profits on Android, much more than Google itself, but once the Chinese get into it and copy Samsung left and right at half the cost or less, it’s time to move on. Tizen runs all Android apps so Samsung can steal the entire Android ecostem from under Google without a hitch or pain (unless you’re Google). Just invite every Android developer to start selling his Android apps on the new Samsung joint Tizen-Android app ecosystem, and they’ll all switch over overnight attracted by the fact Samsung with its scale was the only profitable Android OEM by far among a sea of Android OEMs that collectively has 1 billion Android activations around the world. Without Samsung, Android can’t survive long with chronically unprofitable and hapless OEMs like Motorola and HTC that lack Samsung’s manufacturing scale that rivals Apple’s and marketing deep pockets. You’d think that with 1 billion activations, at least 1 or 2 Android OEMs beside Samsung would be able to turn a profit, which would be healthy for the Android OEM industry as a whole, but it turns out Android is such a crappy OS that no one in the world is apparently willing to pay up for it. The OEMs have to sell at cost or less so they’re practically universally profitless even with 1 billion Android activations around the world.

  • Zippero

    The Google-Samsung marriage of convenience to combat iOS is over. Samsung sees the Chinese Android 4.3 and 4.4 OEM hordes on the horizon replicating its specs at less than half the cost and is calling it quits. Samsung made huge profits on Android, much more than Google itself, but once the Chinese get into it and copy Samsung left and right at half the cost or less, it’s time to move on. Tizen runs all Android apps so Samsung can steal the entire Android ecostem from under Google without a hitch or pain (unless you’re Google). Just invite every Android developer to start selling his Android apps on the new Samsung joint Tizen-Android app ecosystem, and they’ll all switch over overnight attracted by the fact Samsung with its scale was the only profitable Android OEM by far among a sea of Android OEMs that collectively has 1 billion Android activations around the world. Without Samsung, Android can’t survive long with chronically unprofitable and hapless OEMs like Motorola and HTC that lack Samsung’s manufacturing scale that rivals Apple’s and marketing deep pockets. You’d think that with 1 billion activations, at least 1 or 2 Android OEMs beside Samsung would be able to turn a profit, which would be healthy for the Android OEM industry as a whole, but it turns out Android is such a crappy OS that no one in the world is apparently willing to pay up for it. The OEMs have to sell at cost or less so they’re practically universally profitless even with 1 billion Android activations around the world.

  • Zippero

    The Google-Samsung marriage of convenience to combat iOS is over. Samsung sees the Chinese Android 4.3 and 4.4 OEM hordes on the horizon replicating its specs at less than half the cost and is calling it quits. Samsung made huge profits on Android, much more than Google itself, but once the Chinese get into it and copy Samsung left and right at half the cost or less, it’s time to move on. Tizen runs all Android apps so Samsung can steal the entire Android ecostem from under Google without a hitch or pain (unless you’re Google). Just invite every Android developer to start selling his Android apps on the new Samsung joint Tizen-Android app ecosystem, and they’ll all switch over overnight attracted by the fact Samsung with its scale was the only profitable Android OEM by far among a sea of Android OEMs that collectively has 1 billion Android activations around the world. Without Samsung, Android can’t survive long with chronically unprofitable and hapless OEMs like Motorola and HTC that lack Samsung’s manufacturing scale that rivals Apple’s and marketing deep pockets. You’d think that with 1 billion activations, at least 1 or 2 Android OEMs beside Samsung would be able to turn a profit, which would be healthy for the Android OEM industry as a whole, but it turns out Android is such a crappy OS that no one in the world is apparently willing to pay up for it. The OEMs have to sell at cost or less so they’re practically universally profitless even with 1 billion Android activations around the world.

  • Zippero

    The Google-Samsung marriage of convenience to combat iOS is over. Samsung sees the Chinese Android 4.3 and 4.4 OEM hordes on the horizon replicating its specs at less than half the cost and is calling it quits. Samsung made huge profits on Android, much more than Google itself, but once the Chinese get into it and copy Samsung left and right at half the cost or less, it’s time to move on. Tizen runs all Android apps so Samsung can steal the entire Android ecostem from under Google without a hitch or pain (unless you’re Google). Just invite every Android developer to start selling his Android apps on the new Samsung joint Tizen-Android app ecosystem, and they’ll all switch over overnight attracted by the fact Samsung with its scale was the only profitable Android OEM by far among a sea of Android OEMs that collectively has 1 billion Android activations around the world. Without Samsung, Android can’t survive long with chronically unprofitable and hapless OEMs like Motorola and HTC that lack Samsung’s manufacturing scale that rivals Apple’s and marketing deep pockets. You’d think that with 1 billion activations, at least 1 or 2 Android OEMs beside Samsung would be able to turn a profit, which would be healthy for the Android OEM industry as a whole, but it turns out Android is such a crappy OS that no one in the world is apparently willing to pay up for it. The OEMs have to sell at cost or less so they’re practically universally profitless even with 1 billion Android activations around the world.

  • Zippero

    The Google-Samsung marriage of convenience to combat iOS is over. Samsung sees the Chinese Android 4.3 and 4.4 OEM hordes on the horizon replicating its specs at less than half the cost and is calling it quits. Samsung made huge profits on Android, much more than Google itself, but once the Chinese get into it and copy Samsung left and right at half the cost or less, it’s time to move on. Tizen runs all Android apps so Samsung can steal the entire Android ecostem from under Google without a hitch or pain (unless you’re Google). Just invite every Android developer to start selling his Android apps on the new Samsung joint Tizen-Android app ecosystem, and they’ll all switch over overnight attracted by the fact Samsung with its scale was the only profitable Android OEM by far among a sea of Android OEMs that collectively has 1 billion Android activations around the world. Without Samsung, Android can’t survive long with chronically unprofitable and hapless OEMs like Motorola and HTC that lack Samsung’s manufacturing scale that rivals Apple’s and marketing deep pockets. You’d think that with 1 billion activations, at least 1 or 2 Android OEMs beside Samsung would be able to turn a profit, which would be healthy for the Android OEM industry as a whole, but it turns out Android is such a crappy OS that no one in the world is apparently willing to pay up for it. The OEMs have to sell at cost or less so they’re practically universally profitless even with 1 billion Android activations around the world.

  • http://www.staska.net Staska

    It’s a nice theory. If only this theory of Tizen’s viability as an alternative to Android on smartphones could be backed by at least a shred of hard data, and not empty promises/marketing hype of the bright future from Intel and Samsung, and wishful dreams of Tizen fans.

    Tizen has been around for 2+ years now. If you count the development time spent on Bada, Samsung Mobile Linux, Moblin and Meego (even excluding proprietary Nokia stuff) – you could easily triple that. And yet, there isn’t a single commercial device running Tizen yet. Only a promise to have one or two sometime in the future. Oh, and that Tizen Galaxy S5 too…

    Promise promises and nothing but promises for years.

    Let’s talk in 12 months and see how Tizen on smartphones is doing then.

    (Btw, I’m talking specifically about smartphones on purpose. Tablets, TVs, stereos, ovens and other connected home stuff – is a wide open field,and Tizen might make some good inroads there)

  • http://www.staska.net Staska

    It’s a nice theory. If only this theory of Tizen’s viability as an alternative to Android on smartphones could be backed by at least a shred of hard data, and not empty promises/marketing hype of the bright future from Intel and Samsung, and wishful dreams of Tizen fans.

    Tizen has been around for 2+ years now. If you count the development time spent on Bada, Samsung Mobile Linux, Moblin and Meego (even excluding proprietary Nokia stuff) – you could easily triple that. And yet, there isn’t a single commercial device running Tizen yet. Only a promise to have one or two sometime in the future. Oh, and that Tizen Galaxy S5 too…

    Promise promises and nothing but promises for years.

    Let’s talk in 12 months and see how Tizen on smartphones is doing then.

    (Btw, I’m talking specifically about smartphones on purpose. Tablets, TVs, stereos, ovens and other connected home stuff – is a wide open field,and Tizen might make some good inroads there)

  • Zippero

    Samsung’s own co-CEOs and VPs are getting quoted in the WSJ and elsewhere saying they’re going all in on Tizen. It’s not just a “theory” anymore when Samsung’s own upper echelon are making all these very public statements about Tizen. Unlike Apple, Samsung tells you what’s in their pipeline, so it’s time to get your fingers out of your ears and start believing what your own ears tell you.

  • Zippero

    Samsung’s own co-CEOs and VPs are getting quoted in the WSJ and elsewhere saying they’re going all in on Tizen. It’s not just a “theory” anymore when Samsung’s own upper echelon are making all these very public statements about Tizen. Unlike Apple, Samsung tells you what’s in their pipeline, so it’s time to get your fingers out of your ears and start believing what your own ears tell you.

  • Zippero

    Android was just a means to an end for Samsung. Just as it learned and copied from Apple earlier on hardware, it spent the last 5 years learning and copying from Android on mobile software and running an ecosystem. The Samsung-Google so-called “marriage” was nothing more than a multiple-year learning and intellectual theft campaign on Samsung’s part and was never meant to last forever, and all the fandroids were just incredibly naive to believe otherwise.

  • Zippero

    Android was just a means to an end for Samsung. Just as it learned and copied from Apple earlier on hardware, it spent the last 5 years learning and copying from Android on mobile software and running an ecosystem. The Samsung-Google so-called “marriage” was nothing more than a multiple-year learning and intellectual theft campaign on Samsung’s part and was never meant to last forever, and all the fandroids were just incredibly naive to believe otherwise.

  • http://www.staska.net Staska

    Samsung went Bada all the way too. Words are cheap, no matter who speaks them.

  • http://www.staska.net Staska

    As for learning. Agreed. LiMo, Bada, Tizen – all of that was Samsung’s software learning process. And eventually they may get there, just as they got there in Semis and CE.

    Or not. Consumer software, especially platforms may turn out to be smth unique. Very few outside U.S could really make consumer software work on global scale. We’ll see

    One way or the other – Samsung still has years to learn/build before they are ready to compete with Google on mobile software/services. Simply killing access to Google Services Framework (no Gmail, no GMaps, no GAnything) will probably kill at least half of potential Tizen sales outside China. And if Google decides to get nasty and starts playing games with with Android Compatibility Tests for new Samsung phones, Sammy’s smartphone empire may crumble within a year. See what happened to the first Galaxy S when Google withdrew Android compatibility cert because of Skyhook. Or what happened to Acer when they decided to launch forked Android phone for Alibaba. Google holds most of the cards.

    So there’s way too much optimism about Tizen smartphones, at least in the short term. For the next few years Tizen will remain an experiment/plaything for Samsung’s smartphones.

  • swift11

    Google is a web services company: Chrome (HTML5) is core, Android (Java) is a side-show. Google needs great web runtimes: Tizen, Chrome OS or Android + Chrome, it doesn’t really matter.

  • swift11

    Google is a web services company: Chrome (HTML5) is core, Android (Java) is a side-show. Google needs great web runtimes: Tizen, Chrome OS or Android + Chrome, it doesn’t really matter.

  • swift11

    Google is a web services company: Chrome (HTML5) is core, Android (Java) is a side-show. Google needs great web runtimes: Tizen, Chrome OS or Android + Chrome, it doesn’t really matter.

  • swift11

    Tizen is a basic strategy: Samsung can’t depend on a can of worms like Android, controlled by a third-party. Android’s main goal was Google play: fantastic for Google, absurd for others. Keep in mind that Android = Linux + Java virtual machine = a great biz strategy but a slap in the face for the tech sector.

  • Mas1

    This is totally outside of reallity. Samsung has already stated that tizen isn’t a mid-low OS, it’s a cutting edge OS for topline phones. That mid-low claim was always the BS speculation. Now with that you have to assume that tizen will launch on something similar to the S5 though it may be named differently or have different specs, it will be top quality hardware, for certain.

  • Mas1

    This is totally outside of reallity. Samsung has already stated that tizen isn’t a mid-low OS, it’s a cutting edge OS for topline phones. That mid-low claim was always the BS speculation. Now with that you have to assume that tizen will launch on something similar to the S5 though it may be named differently or have different specs, it will be top quality hardware, for certain.

  • Mas1

    This is totally outside of reallity. Samsung has already stated that tizen isn’t a mid-low OS, it’s a cutting edge OS for topline phones. That mid-low claim was always the BS speculation. Now with that you have to assume that tizen will launch on something similar to the S5 though it may be named differently or have different specs, it will be top quality hardware, for certain.

  • Mas1

    This is totally outside of reallity. Samsung has already stated that tizen isn’t a mid-low OS, it’s a cutting edge OS for topline phones. That mid-low claim was always the BS speculation. Now with that you have to assume that tizen will launch on something similar to the S5 though it may be named differently or have different specs, it will be top quality hardware, for certain.

  • Mas1

    This is totally outside of reallity. Samsung has already stated that tizen isn’t a mid-low OS, it’s a cutting edge OS for topline phones. That mid-low claim was always the BS speculation. Now with that you have to assume that tizen will launch on something similar to the S5 though it may be named differently or have different specs, it will be top quality hardware, for certain.

  • Mas1

    This is totally outside of reallity. Samsung has already stated that tizen isn’t a mid-low OS, it’s a cutting edge OS for topline phones. That mid-low claim was always the BS speculation. Now with that you have to assume that tizen will launch on something similar to the S5 though it may be named differently or have different specs, it will be top quality hardware, for certain.